From the Circuitous Dance / Kate Warren Facebook page: Circuitous Dance will be performing March 30 & 31 @8 pm & April 1 @ 1 pm. Performances at Cafe Dance, 3307 B Hancock Drive. Tickets $12 & $10 for students. CASH OR CHECK ONLY. For reservations, call or text Kate Warren @ 512-633-3525.
The 2011-2014 Ensemble:
Annette Christopher
Melissa Feather
Lisa Nicks
Mysti Jace Pride
Cherami Conley Steadman
Also from the page: "Here's how I would do it. Meet my friends for dinner at Chez Zee. Drive one block and head into Cafe Dance to see the premiere or Circuitous Dance. Finish the night with a good glass of wine under the stars at Fabi & Rosi. Discuss what you saw/experienced at the show. Did you like it, not like it? Have an opinion and feel good about it. That's what art is for." (You'll see these sentiments reiterated below.)
Now, about Kate. I first got to know her while I was still living in Austin. In my mid-thirties, I decided I really liked dance and should try a class. I landed at Kate's Cafe Dance, where she and Kathy Dunn Hamrick run their Hamrick/Warren School. I ended up taking class with Kathy, yoga with Kate, but the real joy was the hour (or more) I'd spend afterward just yakking away with Kate. We can talk. We're those people who meet for lunch (when I'm in Austin) and then assume that the five dollar sandwiches we bought entitle us to the table and endless tea refills for the entire afternoon. I'm barely exaggerating. Because I was determined to do a short interview, what follows is only twice a long as I originally intended. And of course, we were on the phone for at least an hour after the "official" interview ended.
I'm thinking about all the things I'd like to say about Kate, about how one of my favorite pieces of choreography is a nearly 20 minute solo ("Fugue State") danced without music, that she put on Kathy Dunn Hamrick a decade ago, or how I've told her that when she dances, I'm straight. (I'm a little disappointed at the news that she isn't performing in this concert, but I'm sure I'll live.) But I'll just let her talk about her company and her show and hope it encourages you to go see it.
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NEO: So after all these years of dancing in just about every other modern dance company ever to call Austin home, why have you decided to finally form your own company?
KW: I was just telling the dancers the other day, in every company I've been in I would always sit back and say, oh I wouldn't do it like that. Then I read somewhere that if you say that too many times, you need to be starting your own business. But then, just the thought of running a dance company the way I was used to dance companies being run, it was just overwhelming.
KW: I was just telling the dancers the other day, in every company I've been in I would always sit back and say, oh I wouldn't do it like that. Then I read somewhere that if you say that too many times, you need to be starting your own business. But then, just the thought of running a dance company the way I was used to dance companies being run, it was just overwhelming.
Then when I read about the Royal Shakespeare Company, and how they would work together for three years and then those people would leave and they'd bring in a whole new group, I thought, oh, I could do this. Because after three years, you could even assess for your own self, I do want to keep doing this or I don't want to keep doing this.
I remember reading that somebody in New York, I don't remember who it was, was starting a company and he went to Merce Cunningham for advice and Merce said, I worry about money every day, how I'm going to pay people. Every day. So just know you're going to have to do that. So for me, this is an easy out of, if after three years if I can't do this or don't like it or I'm not good at it, I can stop, too. I think directors and choreographers, they feel so responsible because they're employers.
Then, three years is a good amount of time to get a taste of something and then go on, because you always feel bad about leaving. I feel like I've always overstayed by one to three years because I didn't want to hurt someone's feelings or just self-doubt. Should I leave? Do I think I'm better than I really am? All that. And then going through anywhere from a year to three years of not wanting to be in that place and not really enjoying myself.
The artistic director, also [might say] in their head, there's nothing more I can do for you and there's nothing more you can do for me---just because of where you're at---and how awkward that is. Again, just making that commitment and knowing that you have an out, that appealed to me.
NEO: How many dancers do you have?
KW: I have five.
NEO: And they've all committed to three years?
KW: Yes. I asked seven people. One person was in school and she said she wanted to travel. And the other person is also a visual artist and said she couldn't make the time commitment. And it's funny because one of the dancers said, "Gosh, three years, that's a big commitment." And then she said, But I usually stay with companies anywhere from five to ten. [Laughter]
Just knowing that it has an ending on it and you can't leave, to me it creates all kind of things. It creates a sense of urgency because you only have three years. But there's something very easy about it in the sense that from a dancer's point of view, and I guess from an artistic director's point of view, too, you know nobody new is coming in and you just don't worry about that. And seeing that happen, when someone new is brought it, well it's like bringing in a new cat. Everyone has to smell around, and find their place and the hierarchy changes. Being in that situation as a dancer, it's extremely uncomfortable and it really, to me, takes away from the focus of the work.
I remember reading that somebody in New York, I don't remember who it was, was starting a company and he went to Merce Cunningham for advice and Merce said, I worry about money every day, how I'm going to pay people. Every day. So just know you're going to have to do that. So for me, this is an easy out of, if after three years if I can't do this or don't like it or I'm not good at it, I can stop, too. I think directors and choreographers, they feel so responsible because they're employers.
Then, three years is a good amount of time to get a taste of something and then go on, because you always feel bad about leaving. I feel like I've always overstayed by one to three years because I didn't want to hurt someone's feelings or just self-doubt. Should I leave? Do I think I'm better than I really am? All that. And then going through anywhere from a year to three years of not wanting to be in that place and not really enjoying myself.
The artistic director, also [might say] in their head, there's nothing more I can do for you and there's nothing more you can do for me---just because of where you're at---and how awkward that is. Again, just making that commitment and knowing that you have an out, that appealed to me.
NEO: How many dancers do you have?
KW: I have five.
NEO: And they've all committed to three years?
KW: Yes. I asked seven people. One person was in school and she said she wanted to travel. And the other person is also a visual artist and said she couldn't make the time commitment. And it's funny because one of the dancers said, "Gosh, three years, that's a big commitment." And then she said, But I usually stay with companies anywhere from five to ten. [Laughter]
Just knowing that it has an ending on it and you can't leave, to me it creates all kind of things. It creates a sense of urgency because you only have three years. But there's something very easy about it in the sense that from a dancer's point of view, and I guess from an artistic director's point of view, too, you know nobody new is coming in and you just don't worry about that. And seeing that happen, when someone new is brought it, well it's like bringing in a new cat. Everyone has to smell around, and find their place and the hierarchy changes. Being in that situation as a dancer, it's extremely uncomfortable and it really, to me, takes away from the focus of the work.
NEO: What were you looking for in dancers?
KW: There were dancers that I knew I wanted to work with, that was Lisa and Cherami. They had become solo artists. I knew their work ethic, I liked their choreographic work, I loved their dancing, so I knew I wanted to ask them. Then Annette was someone who had been taking my class, I knew she wanted to perform, and the couple of performances I've seen her in, I was very drawn to her. She's very dramatic and I like that about her. Mysti was almost like a beginner, but she works like a freaking dog. She works harder than and dancer I've ever known. Just the fact that she has such an incredible work ethic, it was like, how could I not ask her? I knew she would get better and it's amazing how much she has grown since September. So I had four people and I didn't want an even number. So this young woman, Melissa, I knew her barely. She mostly took Kathy's class, took one or two of my classes. I just thought, why not ask her? And it was interesting because when I asked her, she said to me, well you're telling me everything you can offer me, but what do you think I can I offer you? She's technically trained, but she loves improv and contact. I said, I've had those things, but I usually don't do them and so I figure you can teach us about that, teach a class to us or a warm-up. Her perspective is different from everyone else's because that's really her main love.
NEO: Are you doing all the choreography or is everybody choreographing?
KW: Well, that was kind of a thing they asked because all of them are independent artists except for Melissa. And that's open, it's up in the air. The whole thing about working this way is that we all get to decide how we want it to be. For this concert, I've choreographed everything, but that doesn't mean I have to choreograph everything every time we perform. We'll decide that as a group.
NEO: How many pieces are in the concert?
KW: There are five solos and one group piece.
NEO: So you've choreographed a solo for everyone. Are you performing?
KW: No. I was thinking the first year I'd choreograph solos on everyone, the second year I'd choreograph duets and the third year I'll choreograph trios, but as I choreograph duets and trios, I will perform, just to even out the number.
NEO: Tell us about the pieces.
KW: Well, the solos are like short stories to me. It became clear to me, as I knew each dancer, what I knew of them—like the woman who is so dramatic, Annette, her piece is about being a spy and she pulls it off beautifully. Lisa's piece is called "I'm Not Dead Yet." [Laughter.] Lisa is the oldest, but I know Lisa and we've had many conversations about that. She's still an incredible mover and she's still relevant. To me, that's what the piece is about. I know as she and I talk, because I go through the same thing—you hit a certain age and people just stop looking or they think oh, they can't dance anymore or they probably don't have much to say.
NEO: And it's wrong!
KW: Well, it's not always wrong. [Laughter.] But it's certainly wrong about Lisa and you kind of stamp your foot and say, I am still relevant, I do still have something to say. So I wanted to create something like that for her because she's still such an incredible dancer.
NEO: She's such a strong soloist.
KW: It's amazing! And her music is "The Orange Blossom Special," which is like a runaway train and just perfect for her.
Cherami's piece is called "Still Life" There's just this struggle of having children, wanting to dance, being very relevant in what you have to say, and how do you make that your life, how do you live with it.
Melissa I knew the least so her solo is three minutes but she has blossomed. She was an English major and she's dancing with a poet reciting a poem. She identifies with words.
The last solo, Mysti's solo—she commissioned me to put a solo on her a year ago, and I did that and then I created another solo for a festival last November, but it was like the "B" part of that first solo. And the solo for her this time is the "C" part. The first solo is a very depressed person, and the second solo was someone realized they were depressed and starting to come out of that. This solo is a person completely crossed over, kind of to the other side of that. And in her own life as a dancer, that's exactly what's happened to her.
What's been cool about the solos---They're amazing, the growth and the understanding of everyone within the movement and the revealing of themselves in the piece is just so joyful for me to see. I think we've created this atmosphere of trust. We take class together every week, just them and me. The older companies, like Graham and Limon and Cunningham and Paul Taylor—to me that's the backbone of their companies. The dancers take class together with no one else there. They breathe together and move together, they see each other's strengths and weaknesses. And they get all the attention they deserve. Instead of having to take class with other people in the community, there's just a focus on them. It's been very rewarding for me that they're really comfortable revealing their vulnerabilities in front of each other.
NEO: And then the group piece?
KW: The group piece is called "Flipped Earth." It started out to be a piece about betrayal, but what it's ended up being is about—if you're animals on the earth and something dire happens like the earth cracks open and the surface completely changes, so you have dry land and now you're in water. And now they have to morph into water animals. I just don't quite know if I want that to be a good thing or a bad thing. [Laughter.]
NEO: Is that a happy ending or a sad ending?
KW: That's right! I don't know!
NEO: Is there something else you want people to know about this concert?
KW: Just come and have the experience and like it or don't like it. Years and years ago, when they opened, I guess it was a modern art museum in Dallas, I forced my husband's family to go and we ended up afterwards in Starbucks for three hours, talking about what we saw. And almost everybody hated it. But I said, now you guys don't understand, this is what art is supposed to do. It was such an experience with us that we still talk about it. "Remember that time we went to the museum and we saw this florescent light and we knew that wasn't art?" [Laughter.] So just show up, give it a try and then definitely have an opinion about it, good or bad. Just come and have the experience. Take a chance, and it's okay if you don't like it.
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